Snak

Copa Sul-/Sudamericana
Nu begynder de indledende øvelser til Latinamerikas svar på Europa League. Der er altid svært at vurdere, hvor seriøst klubberne tager denne turnering, men der dukker altid noget interessant op. Sidste år var jeg f.eks. på Engenhão, da Universidad de Chile uddelte "chocolate" til Flamengo. Mål af José Rojas (måske på vej til Corinthians), 2 x Vargas (nu i Napoli) og et enkelt af Lorenzetti.
http://www.youtube.com/w…cUJYWWtlIys

Fase 1 består af 16, der kæmper om 8 pladser. I fase 2 er der linet op med 15 par, hvoraf vinderne går videre til 1/8-finalen. De regerende mestre Universidad de Chile springer de 2 første faser over og bliver det 16. hold i 1/8-finalen.

Brasilien deltager med 8 hold, der træder ind i fase 2. Det er de klubber, som netop ikke kvalificerede sig til årets Copa Libertadores. Som sædvanligt er de brasilianske hold blevet "parret" i interne kampe, der hedder:
Atlético Goianiense-Figueirense
Bahia-São Paulo
Grêmio-Coritiba
Palmeiras-Botafogo
Brasserne går først i gang med de indbyrdes opgør i starten af august.

I denne uge kan vi se frem til følgende kampe i fase 1:
24.07.2012 Danubio (URU) - Olimpia (CHI)
24.07.2012 Tacuary (PAR) - Cobreloa (CHI)
25.07.2012 Liverpool (URU) - Universidad de Sucre (BOL)
25.07.2011 Deportivo Táchira (VEN) - SC Barcelona (ECU)
26.07.2012 Guaraní (PAR) - Oriente Petrolero (BOL)
26.07.2012 O´Higgins (CHI) - Cerro Porteño (PAR)

Vinderen af turneringen får en ekstra bonus, idet pokalen udløser en billet til Copa Libertadores 2013. Jeg tror, at Palmeiras bliver det bedste bud på en brasiliansk vinder. Scolaris drenge er qua sejren i Copa do Brasil (den brasilianske pokalturnering) allerede sikker på spil i Libertadores 2013. "O Verdão" kan derfor bruge Sulamericana som led i forberelsen til Sydamerikas fornemste klubturnering. De øvrige 7 brasilianske hold får rigeligt at se til i den hjemlige turnering. Botafogo, Grêmio og São Paulo med at slutte i Top 4, Atlético-GO, Bahia og evt. Coritiba med at slutte over nedrykningsstregen.

Hmm, Real Salt Lake og et hold fra Panama. Ved ikke helt hvad jeg skal forvente. Jeg har ikke fulgt med i spillerhandler under Vietnam-turen, så der kan være sket meget. Der røg et par stykker til Saprissa lige efter sæsonen, jeg husker dog ikke engang hvem det var :-( Det bliver fint at komme hjem og blive opdateret.

Copa Libertadores 2012
Conmebol har netop kåret et All-Star-hold på baggrund af årets turnering. Corinthians render med 4 pladser, Universidad de Chile 3, Boca Juniors 2 samt Nacional-COL og Santos en enkelt.

Cássio (COR);
Matías Rodriguez (La U), Rojas (La U), Leandro Castán (COR) og Clemente Rodriguez (BOCA);
Marcelo Díaz (La U), Paulinho (COR) og Riquelme (BOCA;
Pabón (NAC), Sheik (COR) og Neymar (SAN)

OL London
Brasiliens 1. målmand Rafael er ude af turneringen med en albueskade. I stedet kommer Neto, tidligere Atlético Paranaense, nu Fiorentina til at vogte buret. Neto er en teknisk dygtig målmand, men han mangler kamptræning efter overgangen til Italien. Ny reservekeeper bliver Gabriel fra Milan. Han er nærmest ukendt i Brasilien, og lider ligesom Neto af manglende kamptræning.

Cubero, Herediano look to start fast

HEREDIA, Costa Rica - Jose Miguel Cubero remembers last year´s experience in the CONCACAF Champions League.

After his club Herediano club routed Guyanese amateur side Alpha United in the Preliminary Round 10-2 on aggregate, the 22-time Costa Rican champion lost three straight to start the Group Stage, beginning with a 5-0 loss to eventual champion Monterrey.

Cubero and his teammates are determined to not repeat the disastrous campaign which saw the 91-year-old club, which enjoys one of Central America´s most faithful fan bases, finish last in its group with the fourth-worst record in the competition.

"It was due to the lack of experience that we had at the beginning of the tournament," Cubero said. "(When) we came back home (against Monterrey), we barely lost (1-0). That means that we learned our lesson and we need to put it in practice."

With the experience behind it, the 25-year-old Cubero, a defensive midfielder with more than a dozen appearances for Costa Rica, feels that " El Team", as the club is often called, can make a dent in this year´s Champions League.

With some knowledge of their opponents, like 2011 CCL runner-up Real Salt Lake and its Costa Rican forward Alvaro Saborio, Cubero and his teammates know they must be respectful but not fearful whe its opens against RSL July 31 in Costa Rica.

"Saborio´s team is tough. They´ve done well recently in CONCACAF, however, we have the experience based on what we went through last tournament and we know that we cannot drop points at home." he said. "We need to start on the right foot and the only way to do that is to win."

Some others already have said that the change in the Champions League competition format - eliminating the Preliminary Round, going from four groups of four teams to eight groups of three and only the group winners advancing to the quarterfinals - will this year´s competition more difficult.

According to Cubero, changes in the format doesn´t change Herediano´s objectives.

"When a group has a clear goal in mind and know what it wants, then things can come together like they have for Saprissa in the past," he said. "There are tough opponents but we will give a fight."

With the eight U.S. and Mexican teams divided among the eight groups, Cubero identifies them as favorites.
"They are teams with the highest level and we have to face them in a serious manner," he said.

Herediano will enter the Champions League without Uruguayan midfielder and last year´s team scoring leader Jose Carlos Cancela, who transferred to Saprissa in the offseason.

Cubero at least feels Herediano will have the boost of coming in as the reigning Costa Rican champ.

"It means something, but it´s better," he said. "The confidence is at its highest and we will look for the best for not only our institution but also Costa Rican soccer in general."

Herediano is in Group 2 with Real Salt Lake and Tauro of Panama and will visit Tauro on August 30. The club will then host the Panamanians on September 25 before wrapping up with a visit to Salt Lake on October 23.


Apropos Panama.


Apertura 2012 - Runde 1.

Mrestrene fra Tauro kom godt fra start i sæsondebutten da de hjemme på Estadio Rommel Fernández slog Chepo med 2-0 på mål af den colombianske forsvar Reinel Herrera og angriberen Hector Peñaloza.

I Colón spillede Arabe Unido og Chorillo 0-0, mens Sporting San Miguelito hjemme sejrede 1-0 over Plaza Amador - Delanmo Welch scorede kampens eneste mål.

de to traditioneshold Alianza og San Francisco kom begge godt fra start - førstnævnte slog ude Atlético Chiriquí med 3-1 på mål af Miguel Castillo og angriberne César Medina og Rne Campbell. På Estadio Augustin "Muquita" Sánchez slog hjemmeholdet San Francisco oprykkerne fra Río Abajo med 4-0 - dagens mand i skysovs var hjemmeholdets colombianske angriber Johann Alejandro de Avila der scorede 3 af målene - mens hans angrebsmakker Armando Polo stod for det sidste.

OL

Tror håber nu på de er tilpas dygtige og heldige til at gå hele vejen - kunne dog sagtens forestille mig at netop målmandsposten er noget holdet kunne falde ignnem på hvis de møder Uruguay og eller Mexico.

Så lidt update fra Argentina...

Angriberen Luciano Leguizamón tidligere Arsenal de Sarandí fortsætter ikke karrieren i estudiantes de la Plata, men hos "de røde" fra Avalleneda - Independiente. Udover Luciano skrev Independiente kontrakt med den colombianske midterforsvar Cristian Tula igår - Cristian kommer fra den colombianske storklub Atletico Nacional i Medellín, mens man regner med at Critians landsmand midtbanespilleren Fabian Vargas kommer til B.A imorgen.

Endvidere er Guille Burdisso kommet i problemer mht til og fravalg da både Boca Juniors og River Plate vil have ham - hvilket man godt kan forstå - den slags kan jo have helbredsmæssige omkostninger...alene af den grund kunne man godt forestille sig han tog til udlandet igen...

Burdisso duda entre River y Boca

BUENOS AIRES -- El defensor Guillermo Burdisso, el jugador por quien se baten en este mercado de pases River Plate y Boca Juniors, admitió este martes que le es "muy difícil" elegir entre los dos clubes más poderosos de la Argentina.

"Si el club fuese uno grande y el otro no, todavía. Pero, al ser los dos grandes, uno no puede elegir. Son dos clubes especiales y hay que esperar que el tiempo ponga las cosas en su lugar. Es difícil elegir entre los dos", se excusó el futbolista.

Burdisso admitió que el entrenador de Boca, Julio César Falcioni, lo llamó por teléfono para preguntarle cómo estaba físicamente, ya que tenía intención de incorporarlo.

"Con Julio (Falcioni) hablé y quería saber cómo estaba. Me gusta que un técnico se preocupe por mí. Lo que me molestó fue que hayan dicho que Nico (su hermano) me llamó para que me decidiera por Boca. No fue así. Los rumores le hacen mal a uno y a la familia", sostuvo el defensor, quien salió campeón con Arsenal del Torneo Clausura 2012.

Y comentó: "El objetivo para esta temporada es seguir progresando, ya sea en un club de afuera o ahora que se cruzaron Boca y River me encantaría ir a cualquiera de los dos porque están a la altura de los clubes de Europa".

Ante la intervención de Boca, se generó un contrapunto entre ambas instituciones. Además, se había mencionado un supuesto interés del Benfica de Portugal, cuyo titular, Luís Filipe Vieira, desmintió.

"Uno nunca se imagina estar en este lugar, entre Boca y River, eso es común para los delanteros. Sin querer me perdí dos semanas de pretemporada, traté de estar bien en lo físico, pero lo mental pasa por otro lado. Dejemos que el tiempo ponga las cosas en su lugar", subrayó el defensor.

Burdisso afirmó que en sus inicios como futbolista se probó tanto en el club de La Ribera como en el de Núñez. En ambos no pasó la prueba.

Por último, indicó que su representante, Fernando Hidalgo, está de regreso del continente europeo y le solicitó que resuelva "cuanto antes" su situación.

"Ya di dos semanas de ventaja. Necesito entrenarme en un club para tener una buena temporada", precisó Burdisso.

Tænkte at Ajooba og andre Boca supportere kunne finde dette interessant læsning...


El Romance No Da Mas -- A Boca Fan Describes the Pain of Riquelme´s Departure

And like that it was over. The Copa Libertadores dream. But for the first time, as a Boca fan, that pain did not last long at all. That hurt did not hurt as much. Because a bigger pain, a far bigger blow, came almost immediately. Our icon, Roman, resigned from the club.

‘No tengo nada mas para dar.’

I have nothing left to give.

Coming from any other player in the world, a statement like that to your club and fans would mostly outrage and anger them. But not to us. How could we be angry? Roman has given us so much. Five Argentine Primera Divison Titles, three Copa Libertadores Titles, one Copa Sudamericana, and that lil old magical display against none other than Real Madrid for the Intercontinental Cup. But those are just details.

Deeper than that, Roman, as his affectionately known by his fans, has been the symbol of so much for Boca. For a club known as ‘the half plus one’, he is the perfect talisman. For, in Argentina, if you don’t love him, you hate him; much the same as Boca itself. He has been the symbol of our dominance till now ever since he ended River late 90s golden era. He has almost single-handedly beaten River Plate on countless occassions, not to mention the most famous nutmeg followed by ‘Olllleee’ in Argentinian history. He has crafted the defeat of so many Brazilian sides that it caused Pele to plead for his country’s clubs to end their terrible run against Boca.

For a club that so many love to hate, Roman has given us so much to stand for. An icon who is the quintessential representation of the club; love me/us, or hate me/us. I don’t care. We don’t care. Roman knows who he is and he doesn’t budge. This is an incredible strength to possess, but, ultimately it has also led to his frequent downfal. Though each time it only strengthened the love from the adoring Boca fans further. Even Diego Armando Maradona, as manager of Argentina, watched him at La Bombonera and said, ‘like that, he is no use to me’. So Roman retired from international football, and the Boca fans chanted his name each week thereafter, loving him even more. It was the same when Manuel Pellegrini excluded him from Villareal’s first team. Roman did not play football for six months, then, returned to Boca to win the Copa Libertadores. And the fans love grew to a new level again.

More than being a fabulous player with a cult hero status for performances against the greatest rivals, Roman is a symbol of a dying art in Argentinian and world football; el Enganche. The hook. The playmaker position. The artful, creative, distinctive player that a team is built around. A player that plays on rhythm, touch, instinct, and feel. That is Riquelme. There are fewer and fewer of them these days. As Boca fans, we fear this is the death of football. That is the reason that around 6,000 supporters turned up to La Bombonera recently to chant his name, wave pictures of him, and beg for him to change his mind. That is why several other thousand supporters gathered in 26 other locations around Argentina to do the same. We fear he is the last of his kind.

Whether he is or isn’t, it was a display of support and love that befitted a player that perhaps did not get the awards, honours, or trophies he deserved. The outpouring of emotion was immense, and not less than he deserved.


http://www.youtube.com/w…63kBHN3bL68

The void he leaves will be huge. But that is not only a bad thing. For the void that we feel will urge us passionate Boca fans to push, hope and pray that it is filled, at least partially. Somehow. And that is where the opportunity lies for the next Romanesque enganche.

I became a Boca supporter because of my father, but I shall remain a passionate Boca supporter forever because of Juan Roman Riquelme.

Gracias Roman, you’ve given us more than enough.

Kampprogrammet for den ny turnering i Argentina - istedet for Apertura og Clausura hedder det nu - Inicial og Final - Tre hold rykker ned tre hold rykker op - ingen play-offs - det sædvanlige pointsystem/Porcentaje vil blive anvendt fortsat...

los clasicos er fremhævet med fed - husk dog River - Boca den 28 oktober :-)



Runde 1: 5 August

Club Atlético Vélez Sarsfield v Asociación Atlética Argentinos Juniors
Racing Club v Asociación Mutual Social y Deportiva Atlético de Rafaela
Arsenal Fútbol Club v Club Atlético Unión de Santa Fe
Club Deportivo Godoy Cruz Antonio Tomba v Club Atlético All Boys
Club Atlético Tigre v Club Estudiantes de La Plata
Quilmes Atlético Club v Club Atlético Boca Juniors
Club Atlético River Plate v Club Atlético Belgrano
Club Atlético San Lorenzo de Almagro v Club Atlético San Martín de San Juan
Club Atlético Colón v Club Atlético Lanús
Club Atlético Newell’s Old Boys v Club Atlético Independiente

Runde 2: 12 August

Argentinos Juniors v Racing
Independiente v Vélez Sarsfield
Lanús v Newell’s Old Boys
San Martín v Colón
Belgrano v San Lorenzo
Estudiantes v River Plate
Boca Juniors v Tigre
All Boys v Quilmes
Unión v Godoy Cruz
Rafaela v Arsenal

Runde 3: 19 August

Vélez Sarsfield v Lanús
Racing v Independiente
Arsenal v Argentinos Juniors
Godoy Cruz v Rafaela
Tigre v River Plate
Quilmes v Unión
Boca Juniors v All Boys
San Lorenzo v Estudiantes
Colón v Belgrano
Newell’s Old Boys v San Martín

Runde 4: 26 August

Argentinos Juniors v Godoy Cruz
Independiente v Arsenal
Lanús v Racing
San Martín v Vélez Sarsfield
Belgrano v Newell’s Old Boys
Estudiantes v Colón
River Plate v San Lorenzo´
All Boys v Tigre
Unión v Boca Juniors
Rafaela v Quilmes

Runde 5: 2 September

Vélez Sarsfield v Belgrano
Racing v San Martín
Arsenal v Lanús
Godoy Cruz v Independiente
Tigre v San Lorenzo
Quilmes v Argentinos Juniors
Boca Juniors v Rafaela
All Boys v Unión
Colón v River Plate
Newell’s Old Boys v Estudiantes

Runde 6: 5 September

Argentinos Juniors v Boca Juniors
Independiente v Quilmes
Lanús v Godoy Cruz
San Martín v Arsenal
Belgrano v Racing
Estudiantes v Vélez Sarsfield
River Plate v Newell’s Old Boys
San Lorenzo v Colón
Unión v Tigre
Rafaela v All Boys

Runde 7: 16 September

Vélez Sarsfield v River Plate
Racing v Estudiantes
Arsenal v Belgrano
Godoy Cruz v San Martín
Tigre v Colón
Quilmes v Lanús
Boca Juniors v Independiente
All Boys v Argentinos Juniors
Unión v Rafaela
Newell’s Old Boys v San Lorenzo

Runde 8: 23 September

Argentinos Juniors v Unión
Independiente v All Boys
Lanús v Boca Juniors
San Martín v Quilmes
Belgrano v Godoy Cruz
Estudiantes v Arsenal
River Plate v Racing
San Lorenzo v Vélez Sarsfield
Colón v Newell’s Old Boys
Rafaela v Tigre

Runde 9: 30 September

Vélez Sarsfield v Colón
Racing v San Lorenzo
Arsenal v River Plate
Godoy Cruz v Estudiantes
Tigre v Newell’s Old Boys
Quilmes v Belgrano
Boca Juniors v San Martín
All Boys v Lanús
Unión v Independiente
Rafaela v Argentinos Juniors

Runde 10: 7 Oktober

Argentinos Juniors v Tigre
Independiente v Rafaela
Lanús v Unión
San Martín v All Boys
Belgrano v Boca Juniors
Estudiantes v Quilmes
River Plate v Godoy Cruz
San Lorenzo v Arsenal
Colón v Racing
Newell’s Old Boys v Vélez Sarsfield

Runde 11: 21 Oktober

Argentinos Juniors v Independiente
Racing v Newell’s Old Boys
Arsenal v Colón
Godoy Cruz v San Lorenzo
Tigre v Vélez Sarsfield
Quilmes v River Plate
Boca Juniors v Estudiantes
All Boys v Belgrano
Unión v San Martín
Rafaela v Lanús

Runde 12: 28 Oktober

Vélez Sarsfield v Racing
Independiente v Tigre
Lanús v Argentinos Juniors
San Martín v Rafaela
Belgrano v Unión
Estudiantes v All Boys
River Plate v Boca Juniors
San Lorenzo v Quilmes
Colón v Godoy Cruz
Newell’s Old Boys v Arsenal

Runde 13: 4 November

Argentinos Juniors v San Martín
Independiente v Lanús
Arsenal v Vélez Sarsfield
Godoy Cruz v Newell’s Old Boys
Tigre v Racing
Quilmes v Colón
Boca Juniors v San Lorenzo
All Boys v River Plate
Unión v Estudiantes
Rafaela v Belgrano

Runde 14: 11 November

Vélez Sarsfield v Godoy Cruz
Racing v Arsenal
Lanús v Tigre
San Martín v Independiente
Belgrano v Argentinos Juniors
Estudiantes v Rafaela
River Plate v Unión
San Lorenzo v All Boys
Colón v Boca Juniors
Newell’s Old Boys v Quilmes

Runde 15: 14 November

Argentinos Juniors v Estudiantes
Independiente v Belgrano
Lanús v San Martín
Godoy Cruz v Racing
Tigre v Arsenal
Quilmes v Vélez Sarsfield
Boca Juniors v Newell’s Old Boys
All Boys v Colón
Unión v San Lorenzo
Rafaela v River Plate

Runde 16: 18 November

Vélez Sarsfield v Boca Juniors
Racing v Quilmes
Arsenal v Godoy Cruz
San Martín v Tigre
Belgrano v Lanús
Estudiantes v Independiente
River Plate v Argentinos Juniors
San Lorenzo v Rafaela
Colón v Unión
Newell’s Old Boys v All Boys

Runde 17: 25 November

Argentinos Juniors v San Lorenzo
Independiente v River Plate
Lanús v Estudiantes
San Martín v Belgrano
Tigre v Godoy Cruz
Quilmes v Arsenal
Boca Juniors v Racing
All Boys v Vélez Sarsfield
Unión v Newell’s Old Boys
Rafaela v Colón

Runde 18: 2 December

Vélez Sarsfield v Unión
Racing v All Boys
Arsenal v Boca Juniors
Godoy Cruz v Quilmes
Belgrano v Tigre
Estudiantes v San Martín
River Plate v Lanús
San Lorenzo v Independiente
Colón v Argentinos Juniors
Newell’s Old Boys v Rafaela

Runde 19: 9 December

Argentinos Juniors v Newell’s Old Boys
Independiente v Colón
Lanús v San Lorenzo
San Martín v River Plate
Belgrano v Estudiantes
Quilmes v Tigre
Boca Juniors v Godoy Cruz
All Boys v Arsenal
Unión v Racing
Rafaela v Vélez Sarsfield

@FAS
Vil det sige, at det nu hedder 19 kampe, og en gennemskuelig model, hvor de 3 dårligste ryger direkte ud? Altså væk med gennemsnitsberegninger og andet hokus-pokus i den argentinske liga?

@ Samba

Forskellen på de tidligere turneringer og det nye system - er at der for første gang iualmindelige tider vil være en mester - vinderen af torneo inicial og final - vil mødes i en playoff kamp.

Derudover vil der være direkte nedrykning baseret gennemsnitsberegninger of færrest i den kommende sæson point som hidtil - men man undgår de her playoff-kampene om nedrykning.

af de 3 nedrykkere - bliver den første af dem , det hold der får færrest point samlet sammen i de 2 turneringer (som vi kender nedrykker begrebet fra europæisk fodbold) de 2 andre findes ved de her gennemsnitsberegninger.


Velez Sarsfield p.1.921
Boca Juniors p.1.697
Arsenal de Sarandi p.1.566
Estudiantes de La Plata p.1.566
Lanus p.1.533
Tigre p.1.487
Belgrano p.1.433
Colon p.1.408
All Boys p.1.328
Argentinos Juniors p.1.355
Racing p.1.342
Godoy Cruz p.1.329
Atletico de Rafaella p.1.315
Union de Santa Fé p.1.315
San Martín p.1.263
San Lorenzo de Almagro p.1.197
Independiente p.1.184
Newells old Boys p.1.184
Quilmes p. -
River Plate p. -


Det bliver under alle omstændigheder en gyser - 3 af los cincos grandes 8an Lorenzo, Independiente og River - er potentielle nedrykkere ifølge det nye liga system plus Storholdet fra Rosario - Newells Old Boys - det bliver en vild turnering.

Tak for info, FAS :).
Den argentinske turneringsstruktur er ikke min kop te. Hvis man vil køre halvårlige turneringer, så man tage konsekvenserne heraf og lukke de nederste hold ned i den næstbedste række. Gennemsnitsberegninger=Uigennemskuelighed. Det burde være nok at kigge på en tabel for at få et overblik. Ideen med at lade de 2 halvårsmestre spille om mesterskabet er en forbedring.