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Men dét, at tage hensyn til det enkelte og måske knap så åbenlyse talent, udgør vel også en stor del af talentudviklingen? Det er derfor, man i dag scouter ellers ukendte steder såsom Bermuda, Jamaica, etc.

Jo absolut, Selve talent kommer du kun så langt på, resten er hårdt arbejde.

For mig at se er dette snarere Spaniens egen fortjeneste end andres "ulykke", fordi det er en langsigtet og målrettet strategiomlægning fra før æraen med 2008-nutid.
- Argentinerne er pga. økonomisk rod ved at omstille talentudviklingen, hvorimod Brasilien pga. boomet har større tendens til en mindre hensynsfuld og prioriteret talentudvikling. Det er dét, jeg mener, med "stagneret".

Muligvis ser man lige nu en udmærket brasilianske generation, men med boomet og VM2014 har denne nemmere ved at spoleres og presses, så vi bliver først klar over konsekvenserne for den brasilianske talentudvikling i årene fremefter VM2014. Lige nu nyder man godt af hjemlandets store aktivitet, men hvad med de kommende generationer?

enig mht Spanien, Argentina har ligeså meget at gøre med den spillertype man fremelsker ....Man går fra passarrella og Diego til Jens Risager og Morten Skoubo - groft sagt.

Mht til Brasilien, så har det altid været sådan grund til det er bedste Fodbold land igennem tiderne med det bedste spillere og yadayadaya er jo forbi man acceptere en stor spildprocent - dem som ikke klare sig klare sig ikke - det er et andet type samfund med andre spilleregler, for hver pele, Garrincha, Rivelino, Didi, Vava, Jairzinho, Falcao, Zico, Socrates, Junior, Eder, Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Djalma Santos, Nilton Santos, Gerson, Ronaldinho osv ....så går der 1000vis tabt i processen - hvis eller når Brasilien får effektiveret deres talentarbejde - så er de second to none....der har bare aldrig været reelt behov for det..." fordi man altid har overlevet på de individuelle færdigheder, når de overskygger manglerne" Brasilien vinder VM hver gang de har en målmand der tager med hænder....sådan er det altid.

Men det jo ikke tyope talentudvikling, samfundsindstilling man acceptere i Spanien, i Danmark og generelt i Vesteuropa ...du får diamanter, men du får også mange tabere...

- Brasilien, og Argentina, har jo ikke just imponeret under U17VM seneste 3 gange, hvor Spanien samlet set har været bedre, så det giver i hvert fald et par begyndende indikationer på mine bekymringer omkring Brasilien.

Men tager du alle U-17 slutrunderne med siden 2000 ( altså 2001, 2003, 2005, 2007, 2009, 2011) Så har Brasilien jo faktisk klaret sig bedre ved at bl.a at vinde turneringen modsat Spanien.

Copa América, dvs. fra og med 1975, har da kun været spillet i lige år i 2004 og så til 2016?

Lige år kun 2004, muligvis også 2016, Copa America har været afviklet forskelligt igennem tiden og ikke nødvendigvis kun i Juni/Juli/august. Kan ikke se hvordan det skulle give sydamerikanerne i fordel i relation til OL, når mange af lande stadigvæk har gang i nationale turneringer under afvikling af OL ?

FORWARD BRAZIL

As five-time World Cup champion, the Brazilian national team has become known the world over not just for winning, but for winning with a joyous panache that has become synonymous with the beautiful game. However, behind every one of Ronaldinho’s toothy grins and camouflaged by the color-shocked mohawk clinging to Neymar’s head lies an intensely complicated relationship between nation and sport. Over the course of the 20th century, the average Brazilian’s rabid devotion to football allowed the game to be manipulated – serving as an opiate to anesthetize the Brazilian people toward the actions of their government. This wicked transformation has never been more apparent than during the 1970’s. Then, the military dictatorship under Emílio Médici spared no expense to ensure that its brutal totalitarian measures were shaded by the blinding brilliance of joga bonito.

Though Humberto Castelo Branco and the military dictatorship had arrived in 1964, it was the term of Médici, starting in 1969, that kick-started unprecedented levels of government involvement and control of Brazilian football. Facing fomenting levels of public unrest following the heightened use of arrest, kidnapping, and torture, Médici sanctioned the construction of thirteen new stadiums nation-wide and began attending Flamengo matches on a weekly basis – even occasionally dictating team selection.[1] With the national team, Médici fired manager João Saldanha – when told of Médici’s preference to include the striker Dario in his squad, it is alleged Saldanha replied “I do not mess with his cabinet, he will not mess with my team” – and replaced him with the capable, and controllable, Mário Zagallo.[2] Zagallo proceeded to manage a side widely considered one of the greatest national teams in history to victory in the 1970 World Cup. The football played by Pelé, Jairzinho, and co. was spectacular – equally so the government’s desperate efforts to associate itself with the squad.

Brazil’s 1970 World Cup victory can arguably be considered the biggest public relations movement in sporting history. Spearheaded by Médici, the Brazilian government connected Brazil’s sporting success to Brazil’s domestic “success” at every opportunity imaginable. First, Médici delivered a victory speech that even a Hollywood filmmaker would consider over the top:

"I feel profound happiness at seeing the joy of our people in this highest form of patriotism. I identify this victory won in the brotherhood of good sportsmanship with the rise of faith in our fight for national development. I identify the success of our [national team] with…intelligence and bravery, perseverance and serenity in our technical ability, in physical preparation and moral being. Above all, our players won because they know how to…play for the collective good."[3]

A national holiday was declared upon the team’s return to Brazil and the players’ first stop was in Brasilia to meet with Médici. Following a photo shoot used in the next day’s papers, each player in the squad gratefully accepted a gift of $18,500 dollars.[4] Not done yet, the dictatorship adopted the team’s World Cup tune, “Forward Brazil,” as its official song and plastered the regime’s slogan “no one will hold back Brazil now” on photos of Pelé in action.[5] The objective of this campaign was to tie together Brazil’s footballing victory with the government’s “economic miracle,” presumably the two items of greatest interest to the average Brazilian.[6]

Meanwhile, the government’s blatant propaganda did not go unnoticed by its leftist opposition. Indeed, many political activists made the agonizing decision to support Brazil’s opponents, believing that “the cheers of the fans drown out the screams of the torture victims.”[7] Equal parts individual expression and collective determination, Brazil’s 1970 World Cup triumph endures as the pinnacle performance in football history. Regrettably, it also doubles as a testament to the dictatorship’s masterful ability to apply the sport as a sugary coating to its own bitter pill.

Unable to see the inherent contradiction between the dictatorship’s oppressive methods and the free-flowing beauty of joga bonito, the government unwittingly went about destroying its great opiate. In 1974, one of the parting shots of the Médici administration was to hand the presidency of the Confederação Brasileira de Desportos (CBD) to retired Navy Admiral, Hélio Nunes. The appointment of Nunes – who simultaneously served as president of the government’s ARENA party in Rio – saw accusations fly that in areas of faltering ARENA support, the government ensured the local team a place in the championship. Hence the popular phrase:Aonde a Arena vai mal, um time no campeonato nacional (Where ARENA is doing badly, a team in the national championship). Aonde ARENA vai bem, um time tambem (Where ARENA is doing well, a team as well).[8]

Although the domestic league was successfully serving its purpose in currying support for the regime, the national team was no longer pulling its own weight. In 1974, Brazil travelled to the World Cup hosted by West Germany. Despite a squad composed of many of the 1970 squad, including the same manager in Zagallo, the team could not overcome the retirement of Pelé and failed to impress in the tournament. To the military regime still working to quell popular dissent, this failure denied them the opiate they had so craftily administered in 1970. In turn, they ratcheted up their militarization efforts of the squad and the government, through Nunes, set about rebuilding the national team in the mold of the dictatorship.

The year 1975 saw a change in the executive office from the brutally repressive Médici to the marginally less wicked Ernesto Geisel. Though not a serious fan like Médici, Geisel’s public relations team cast him as a big follower of Rio’s Botafogo in addition to being a hometown supporter of Porto Alegre’s Internacional.[9] Considering his relative disinterest in the sport, it is unsurprising that Geisel did not take the hands-on role with football as had his predecessor. It was during Geisel’s term however, that Nunes and the regime remade the national team with more militaristic qualities. The teams built upon “’samba soccer’ and its emphasis on "improvisation, individual effort, and irreverence,” [10] represented qualities that stood in direct contrast to those the government hoped to instill in the nation. Instead, the CBD/government strode to build the team upon discipline and physical strength and attempted to do so by replacing Zagallo with former army captain, Claudio Coutinho.[11]

In hindsight, Coutinho’s methods were laughable. The new manager likened his squad to a “light armored unit” and furnished the training facilities with military slogans and pro-government banners.[12] Having taken over the government, then football’s governing body, and finally the national team itself, it was only a matter of time before the regime and its heavy-handed methods trickled down into the Seleção. Soon, bodyguards were used to prevent players from speaking openly with the press, while the players themselves were threatened with suspension for negative comments. Meanwhile, Paulo César Lima made the mistake of publicly denouncing Brazilian racism – resulting in his exile from Coutinho’s team.[13]

Despite its best efforts, the government’s attempts to shackle joga bonito inevitably blew up in its face. The failure of the 1974 team was followed by a third place finish – again considered a failure – in 1978, and the public’s ire was now squarely directed at the CBD and its enforced militarization of the squad. By this time, the nation was becoming disillusioned not just with the military’s failed football experiment, but with the dictatorship itself. The “economic miracle” soon gave way to a devastating marriage of hyper-inflation and massive foreign debt. Geisel’s successor, João Figueiredo, began the long slow road to re-democratization and football, through Socrates and Corinthians Democracy, played an important role in the ensuing Abertura. The effects of the squad’s militarization however, were long lasting. It would not be until 1994, a five-tournament gap shocking only for a nation of Brazil’s stature, that the Seleção would reclaim its throne as world champion.



[1] Mason, Tony. Passion of the People?: Football in South America. London: Verso, 1995, 63-4.
[2] "Brazil in the 1970 World Cup." Brazil in the World Cups. Web.
[3] Mason, 63.
[4] Shirts, Matthew. "Playing Soccer in Brazil: Socrates, Corinthians, and Democracy." The Wilson Quarterly 13.2 (1989): 119-23. JSTOR. Web. 6 May 2014, 122.
[5] Mason, 64.
[6] Oliven, George. "The Production and Consumption of Culture in Brazil." Latin American Perspectives 11.1 (1984): 103-15. JSTOR. Web. 6 May 2012, 112.
[7] Shirts, 122.
[8] Humphrey, John, and Alan Tomlinson. "Reflections on Brazilian Football: A Review and Critique of Janet Lever´s "Soccer Madness" Soccer Madness by Janet Lever." Bulletin of Latin American Research 5.1 (1986): 101-08. JSTOR. Web. 6 May 2012, 107.
[9] Mason, 64.
[10] Shirts, 122.
[11] Levine, Robert M. "Sport and Society: The Case of Brazilian Futebol." Luso-Brazilian Review 17.2 (1980): 246.
[12] Levine, 247.
[13] Levine, 247.

Libertadores: Arsenal players fight with police after game

In the wake of their 5 – 2 defeat to Atletico Miniero last night in Belo Horizonte four Arsenal players were detained by police after fighting broke out on the pitch. Unhappy with an earlier decision (Miniero’s second goal coming from this contentious penalty decision) some of the Arsenal players had surrounded the referee and when police moved in to break this up, the Arsenal players began throwing punches and kicks. The whole Arsenal travelling party were then kept behind so the culprits could be identified and it is now understood that at least four players were questioned over their involvement and that Julito Grondona, Club President has already paid a fine of $20, 000.

Needless to say, Atletico Miniero are less than happy about this. Club Director, Eduardo Maluf claimed that the Arsenal dressing room was also damaged and they will be seeking damages and manager, Cuca said that “They came here to fight.”

Unfortunately the incident will do little to ease Argentine Brazilian relations, following on from last year’s calamitous final between Tigre and Sao Paulo

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Conmebol critica a la policía de Brasil

BUENOS AIRES -- El secretario general de la Conmebol, el argentino José Luis Meiszner, calificó el jueves de "imperdonable e incomprensible" la forma en que "la policía brasileña agredió el miércoles a los jugadores de Arsenal" bonaerense, tras el partido de la Copa Libertadores con el Atlético Mineiro.

"Lo que hizo anoche la policía de Brasil a los jugadores del Arsenal es imperdonable e incomprensible, y no se puede repetir", dijo el dirigente a la agencia estatal argentina de noticias Télam.

"Sin embargo, nosotros no podemos asegurar, seria y responsablemente, que esto no volverá a suceder, porque tenemos limitaciones", admitió Meiszner.

La Confederación Sudamricana (Conmebol) "aplica medidas disciplinarias mucho más estrictas a partir de la creación de distintas unidades que funcionan como tribunales y actúan en lugar del Comité que funcionaba para aplicar justicia", señaló.

Tras la victoria del Atlético Mineiro por 5-2 ante Arsenal, la policía de Minas Gerais chocó con los jugadores argentinos en el campo de juego del estadio Independencia de Belo Horizonte.

"Las sanciones que aplican los tribunales ahora se publican para que todo el mundo sepa de qué se trata, y son muy severas", comentó Meiszner.

"Los dos ejemplos más notorios son los castigos al campeón Corinthians, por la bengala que mató a un chico en el partido con San José, en Oruro, y a Vélez Sarsfield, luego de los incidentes protagonizados por sus hinchas en el estadio Centenario, en ocasión del encuentro con Peñarol", precisó.

Meiszner reconoció que lo "que no se hace por convicción, se realiza por necesidad. Es que la Conmebol recién adoptó este año, a instancias de FIFA, y de cara a la Copa de las Confederaciones y el Mundial de Brasil del próximo, lo que las 10 asociaciones del fútbol sudamericano implementaron hace mucho tiempo".

"Por ejemplo, la AFA tiene su Tribunal de Disciplina, con juristas que no están ligados a los clubes, por lo que el Comité Ejecutivo no participa de las sanciones que éste aplica. En la Conmebol sucedía lo contrario", describió.

"Lo ocurrido ayer en Brasil fue un caso de mala praxis en la aplicación de las medidas de seguridad, porque lo que hizo la policía local fue un acto contra natura para una sociedad moderna", indicó Meiszner.

La policía brasileña presentó cargos contra ocho futbolistas del Arsenal por el hecho ocurrido en la ciudad de Belo Horizonte.

Los jugadores fueron detenidos y posteriormente liberados tras pagar una multa de 30.000 reales (15.000 dólares), suma que fue facilitada por el Atlético Mineiro tras un acuerdo con el club argentino, que devolverá ese importe en un plazo de diez días.

Además, por daños comprobados en el vestuario, el Arsenal deberá pagar otros 20.000 reales (10.000 dólares), que serán donados por el Ministerio Público a instituciones de caridad.

Los jugadores fueron acusados de "desacato a la autoridad", "lesiones corporales" y "daños al patrimonio", estas últimas referidas a destrozos en el vestuario en medio de la gresca, desatada por la actuación del árbitro paraguayo Enrique Cáceres.

Almeyda returns as Banfield manager

Matias Almeyda has been unveiled as the new manager of Nacional B side, Banfield. His first appointment since being sacked as River Plate manager after leading them to promotion back to the Primera. Banfield will be hoping that he will be able to repeat this performance. Currently sitting 6th in the table they have some work to do and Almeyda said that it will be impossible in this tournament to achieve that but the project is underway.

THE PROMISE NOT KEPT

Like most of the la Celeste supporters, I am normally very opinionated about la Celeste and in particular, Tabarez. I spent most of the 2010 WCQ criticizing him and asking for a change. However, he seemed to catch lightning in a bottle and la Celeste reached heights that have been truly rare in my lifetime. A fourth place finish at the 2010 World Cup helped to “taparme la boca” you could say and when it came time to think about the renewal of Tabarez’ services versus bringing someone new, even I made a pitch to keep Tabarez, partly because of the World Cup results but also because of his involvement with Uruguay’s youth system, his vision of a process to make Uruguay continually competitive by developing the grass-roots.

I am certain that many of us watched the 2011 Copa America and at the same time, wondered about the rejuvenation of a squad that included Scotti (37), Lugano (32), Perez (32), Forlan (33), Arevalo (31) and Eguren (32), ages in brackets represent today’s ages. We wondered who would be joining Muslera, Caceres, Lodeiro, Suarez and Cavani.

Remember how Tabarez plucked Lodeiro after a magnificent Copa Libertadores campaign and he became la Celeste’s de facto “enganche” during the play-offs with Costa Rica. Remember that we had gone through a whole list of midfielders like Fernandez, Amado, Japo Rodriguez and while we all bitched about it, at least Tabarez was experimenting. Out of necessity, Tabarez also inserted Coates into the line-up at the Copa America and the kid won the Best Young Player award, in a tournament that included the player many had been touting as the next Messi.

So now, here we are at the brink of elimination, two thirds of the way through the 2014 qualifiers, and we’re still waiting for the “process” to happen. We see a team that is devoid of any of the youth that Tabarez is supposed to be nurturing. It’s especially frustrating when you see that other teams, including Chile and Peru who are fighting for their lives, have even been fielding players from the recent South American U20 championships.

It doesn’t get more ridiculous than in the goalkeeper position. After enduring failure with Carini, Viera and Castillo in the 2010 qualifiers, Tabarez eventually opted for Muslera (who Yorugua had been plugging for quite some time). This despite the fact that Silva had been part of the inner circle. When Muslera earned his cap that day of the last minute miracle in Ecuador, he was only 23 years old! Now as his backups, he has Silva (30) and Castillo (34). Yes the same Castillo who lost his job to Muslera and has bounced around 5 clubs in the last 3 years.

Goicoechea (25) is one of those players that Tabarez has forgotten about. The kid came up through the youth teams (2005 U17 and 2007 U20) and even though I know that he hasn’t started or played a game recently, from the period of October 2012 to February 2013, he was the starting goalkeeper for a top European club. It is very likely that during the off-season, he will move to a club that gives him another opportunity. Another guy that has come up through the system is Velez’ Sosa (26), who played in the U17 side in 2003 and has started in most of Velez’ games including all of Velez’ Copa Libertadores games this year. Remember that in large part due to Sosa’s play, Peñarol reached the final of the 2011 Copa Libertadores. And what about Campaña and Gelpi who participated at the 2012 Olympics? Weren’t they supposed to be the next generation? Isn’t that what the Olympics were for? In retrospect, their performance in the Olympics cannot be judged to have been any worse than Carini or Viera during the 2010 qualifiers. Instead of a second chance, it looks like they have been discarded.

On the defense, in the previous qualifiers, Tabarez stuck mainly with Scotti, Victorino, Godin, Lugano, Caceres, Fucile and Maxi Pereira but also experimented with Valdez and Bruno Silva. I remember that when Silva was called up by Tabarez, he had been getting zero playing time at his club. As I mentioned, Coates was outstanding in the 2011 Copa America but he has been completely forgotten by Tabarez. I know he has not had played much at Liverpool. That is somewhat surprising to me since Skrtel and Carragher are give-away artists, serving up goals to Tevez and Hulk, but that’s getting off topic. Lugano was getting zero minutes at PSG and was still a starter and captain of la Celeste. Meanwhile, Britos has had 20 starts at second place Napoli and Tabarez is still not ringing his number. And there could be others like Peñarol’s Gonzalez who can play as fullback or center back. Someone mentioned Kagelmacher, another kid from the youth ranks.

Many of us have been waiting for Polenta to get his first cap with the big boys, but Polenta hardly played at the 2012 Olympics and has also become a forgotten man in the plans of la Celeste. Rolin impressed enough to be contracted by Catania but has not been included even as a call-up to sit on the bench instead of Scotti. I wanted Aguirregaray in the line-up and he had a terrible game against Chile, but that’s about par for the performance of our defense during these qualifiers, or even the past qualifiers. At least, he can chalk up his mistakes to a lack of inexperience, or a bad case of the nerves. Our 30+ captain still commits amateurish mistakes and continues to start. The reality is that sooner or later, these “orphaned” kids will be the face of the defense for la Celeste.

In the midfield, we have been struggling with Perez and Arevalo while Gargano and Eguren play cards and drink their mate on the bench, just kidding. Isn’t it time for Defensor’s Diego Rodriguez. He played in the 2009 U20 in Egypt, he captained the 2011 Pan American team that placed third and for me, was one of the few bright spots at the 2012 Olympics. I’d even argue that Cristoforo would be a better choice; I saw him play recently in a Copa Libertadores match with the big boys and he looks ready. His passing and vision are outstanding. There may be other central midfielders, as mentioned in this blog, such as Ribair Rodríguez, Freitas or even party-animal Arismendi. This year I only saw Arismendi play and it was against Defensor and he was terrible!

I have been content with Lodeiro, Cebolla and recent addition Castro. And I am still waiting for Ramirez to take it to the next level; he needs to become a complete player and learn how to defend. But for me, it is impossible to understand why Gonzalez continues to get capped. When he first played, he appeared to be Tabarez’ version of that little Dutch boy that plugs the dyke with his thumb. Gonzalez can’t defend and he can’t attack, so by now, surely, Tabarez should have found a replacement like lightning fast Urretaviscaya, Viudez or even Mier. It’s still a position where we don’t have a whole lot of depth but eventually Defensor’s dynamic duo of De Arrascaeta and Lasalt may be ready.

In the forward position, really can’t do much better than having Cavani and Suarez. La Joya Hernández unfortunately has to wait his turn behind these two great players. Nico Lopez may someday win a spot on this roster but like I said, not too worried here.

The team definitely needs a re-boot. The players are too proud to take Lugano’s advice to get off the bus. Hell, Lugano should be one of those that need to step aside. Tabarez needs to remember his implicit promise and trust the kids.

Man Utd and Liverpool invited to make bids for Dedé - report

Manchester United, Liverpool and AC Milan are interested in the highly-rated Vasco da Gama defender Dedé according to reports in England.

The Daily Express claims that all three clubs are interested in the defender with Sir Alex Ferguson looking for a long term successor to Nemanja Vidic.

To add fuel to the fire, Vasco´s president, Roberto Dinamite, claims he is open to appropriate offers for the centre back.

"We must do what is best for Vasco and what is best for the player himself. There is a price. You need to see if Milan intends to reach that number, then we talk.

"Of course, the player likes Milan and the club has a great charm. The player can perform very well in Italy and has a potential of great quality.

"Let´s see if we got a great proposal; obviously, it must be in the interest of the player and Vasco.”

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Når du kender til knoldsparkere som Risager og Skoubo, må du da vide sådan noget? Hehe.

Det er FC Midtjylland fra velsagtens 2010-11. Por qué?

Ja men Risager var jo om nogen grunden til at jeg antog en kølig holdning til dansk klub fodbold...._)

Min gode ven Carlos fra Oklahoma, den kære Atlas-supporter havde forvildet sig ind på en side med det billed og da FC Midtjylland tydeligvis også spiller i sort og rødt ligesom Atlas - kunne han ikke andet end at spørge om jeg eventuelt kunne være behjælpelig med at fremskaffe et sådant eksemplar i størrelse XL - de må vil have et gammelt eksemplar i deres klubshop ?

Skæbnen vil det, at jeg er fra den by, hvor FCM har hjemme. Kan derfor sagtens hjælpe, men ellers kan du prøve at høre på officielle webside eller herinde:
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Kan nu bedre lide Club Atlas´ Atletica-trøje, selvom logoet er lige kedeligt nok...