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I Sydamerika er det jo netop ofte mere provokerende at tale nedsættende om nationalitet end om hudfarve. Og mig bekendt vælger FA selv, hvad der er nedsættende, og hvad der ikke er. Og så er ´sudaca´ i udgangspunktet nedsættende - ligesom "black cunt" er det. Det er ´negro´ eller ´negrito´ ikke.

@ Razz

Er den europæiske forståelse af racisme mere oplyst end i Sydamerika? Eller er den bare tilpasset den europæiske kulturhistorie? Jeg håber, at det er et argument for argumentets skyld for ellers minder det jo i høj grad om et kultursyn, man normalt kæder sammen med gamle kolonimagter.

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Imagine if Terry was Suarez.

If a "diving, cannibalistic" Uruguayan was facing criminal prosecution for calling an English footballer a "black c--t". Now imagine reading this:

(Express): "Now Luis Suarez makes a real point"

(Guardian): "Luis Suarez departed the turf here bare-chested and with a trademark salute to the travelling support, his evening transformed from a shaky start into a familiar show of strength"

(Guardian): "Liverpool´s striker gave a good impression of the heroic leader as he left his off-field troubles behind him against Tottenham...One point in the bag and another seemingly made, Luis Suarez sauntered towards the band of Reds, peeled off his shirt and waded bare-chested over the advertising hoardings to hand his Liverpool jersey to one of his disciples. As he walked away, he banged his fist on his heart...If anything, history shows he uses moments of adversity as fuel to his fire."

(Independent): " if Suarez is so widely perceived to be a man in a crisis...no one ever said he was likely to submit meekly when the bad times came...announcing that if he is not anything else in these days of controversy, he remains one of life´s most dedicated survivors."

(Telegraph): "Even in troubled times there is a remarkable resilience to Luis Suarez...Suarez, typically, ignored all the barracking in the background...It was all over bar the shouting at Suarez. He shrugged it off."

(Telegraph): "Suarez ploughs on, either way. After clearing an Emmanuel Adebayor shot off the line in the dying moments he strode to his supporters to express his gratitude and pulled off his shirt. Low-profiles are not his style. He left the pitch in the style of a man sure he had made some kind of point about defiance. This is the way he likes his movie."

"Der er da sorte spillere i Liverpool som han så må have kaldt negrito.

Det har vi ikke hørt om mig bekendt."

Det taler ikke spansk.

Paul McGrath, 2004:

"I heard what Ron (Atkinson) said about Desailly and I thought it was a daft thing to say,” he said. “It was out of order. I was shocked because I had not heard Ron use that word before...I heard him call some black players a coon during training. It didn’t happen very often, it was occasional...I think Ron is probably one of the old school where language like this was probably more accepted.”

(Article continues) Although McGrath condemned Big Ron for using insulting language, he said that he did not believe he was a racist.

"“You only have to look at his record over the years,” he explained. “He was one of the few managers who helped black players in their careers and he treated everyone well.

"“He was a great inspiration for me personally. He brought me to Manchester United and looked after me. He was at Villa as well. He treated me brilliantly.

"“He would have been the first person to have befriended black people.”"

Paul McGrath, 2011:

"If I was in Glen Johnson’s situation, I’d have thrown the shirt to the floor."

I Sydamerika er det jo netop ofte mere provokerende at tale nedsættende om nationalitet end om hudfarve. Og mig bekendt vælger FA selv, hvad der er nedsættende, og hvad der ikke er.

Det kan jeg kun tilslutte mig. Det var ligemeget hvordan du så ud i Costa Rica, så længe du var costaricaner, men der var ikke grænser for hvor nedladende der kunne tales om især mexicanere og nicaraguanere.

Sepp on racism: the highlights

Man of the week: PFA head Gordon Taylor – says Sepp´s view on "heat of the moment" racism is "embarrassing... he doesn´t understand how divisive racism is. Saying that anyone on the receiving end should just treat it as part of the game and shake hands, it´s outrageous. He´s just not with it." (1994: Taylor says Stuart Pearce´s alleged racist abuse of Paul Ince was "in the heat of the moment … Stuart regrets what he said, and he´ll be ringing Paul to apologise. Hopefully that will be the end of it.")

Best of the press

Daily Mail – revealing how Sepp "stunned the football world" with his "bizarre", "astonishing" view that players should shrug off racist abuse. Last month: Daily Mail comment piece: "Football might not be perfect but it´s come a long way since the 1970s." Racism victims should "just put up with it and get on with the game" because "there are worse things to complain about".


Gordon Taylor, der i øvrigt slet ikke forstår argumentet om kulturelle forskelle.

Interessant debat omkring Evra synes jeg. Dog er det eneste jeg har hørt, at Evra faktisk startede med at sige det han selv har indrømmet, hvorefter Suarez har sagt "Por que, Nigrito"

Det giver i så fald en helt anden vinkel, også retspraktisk kunne jeg forestille mig? Det må du vide Razz! Betyder det så, at Suarez burde få nedsat sin straf? Igen, det er bare de rygter der er i omløb og vi ved ikke noget med sikkerhed. Andet end, at Evra har følt sig ramt på den ene eller den anden måde. Og Suarez ikke har opfattet det som noget racistisk.

http://www.liverpoolfc.t…odolski-bid

Interessant!

Det tror jeg faktisk er et mere realitisk bud på en ny angriber. Han har fart, er ikke voldsomt dyr, og passer ind i konceptet.

Hvad søren skulle vi dog med en angriber? Vi har både Carroll og Bellamy som skriger på mere spilletid, og så længe er Suarez altså heller ikke væk.

Han giver muligheder BIF. Simpelthen. Han er målfarlig, fleksibel, og bringer fart, noget som alle hold kan bruge.

Jeg er dog enig i vi ikke har brug for en angriber, som det er nu. Jeg har en ønske signing, og det er Hazard til januar, for venter vi til sommer får vi ham med garanti ikke.

Urealistisk ja, men han bringer i hvert fald en masse af de ting vi mangler pt, og passer perfekt ind.

Ellers synes jeg ikke vi mangler noget. Det vil simpelthen være dumt at smide penge efter en defensiv midt blot fordi Lucas er skadet. Nu har vi kaldt Shelvey hjem, og det er forhåbentlig ikke for at han skal rådne på bænken.