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Yoro og brantwaite bliver eftersigende jagtet! Nu begynder der at komme de rygter jeg forventede ville komme!
Come on ineos!
Take us Home! To winning Roads!
To the place! We belong!

Umiddelbart kan jeg jo godt se det lyder lidt aparte.
Men flere bokse vil kunne hakkes af, skulle det lykkes at hente de to.
Ungt sultent blod i bagkæden.
Større fleksibitet ligeså.
Vi har jo som nævnt udfordringer på flere positioner. Særligt 4´er. 6´er og 3´er.
Derudover 8´er.
Kunne man hente de to, samt Hjulmand, vil der kunne sættes hak ved hele baduljen.
Jo mere jeg tænker over det, jo mere mening giver det.

Martinez kunne eksempelvis spille nogenlunde samme rolle som AC for det danske landshold. Altså steppe lidt frem og agere bølgebryder defensivt og i boldbesiddelse at skubbe frem også og agere boldfordelende 6´er.
Spiller Shaw er der andre muligheder.

Men man skal jo nok hoste op med mindst 150 mil. for de tre og spørgsmålet er om de midler findes?
Man kunne sælge både Linde og Maguire. Får man gode handler på plads omkring Casemiro, Sancho og Greenwood også, er man dog godt på vej.
Eriksen kan også bidrage med lidt mønt.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5549017/2024/06/14/erik-ten-hag-player-tensions-principles-play/?source=emp_shared_article

Virkelig interessant artikel fra Whitwell i The Athletic omkring Ten Hags tid i klubben og hvad han har skulle kæmpe med. Den er alt for lang til at poste herinde men kan prøve at poste nogle af de mest interessante afsnit selvom det også bliver en ordentlig mundfuld.

Extending Ten Hag is viewed as an essential show of support after the huge uncertainty on his position, but the fresh terms may in exchange bring a reevaluation of his role. There are multiple points on which both sides must yet find agreement.

Following the 2021-22 season where order was absent, with Ten Hag saying he inherited “a mess”, the implementation of a team structure was regarded as essential within the club and the fanbase.

But establishing that has been far from straightforward. Some players pushed back at what they felt was an overload of information, believing it to be micromanagement that inhibited their play. Others could not fully grasp what was being asked. Cristiano Ronaldo was something of a litmus test. Ten Hag tried to get Ronaldo to press, not least because of his own ideals but also due to the wish from directors for a high-intensity style. He made allowances. Rather than asking for three distinct runs as he would do of a young player, he wanted two — for example, chasing the first defender on the ball, then following to the goalkeeper, before dropping back into shape if unsuccessful. Ronaldo was coached on this time and again but he made minimal movements in training,

Casemiro and Raphael Varane spoke to team-mates about the similar approaches taken by Carlo Ancelotti and Zinedine Zidane at Real Madrid, which gave players more freedom and greater agency on workload, and how Ten Hag’s positional style of football was not to their taste. They were told by staff that Madrid is a completely different club to United and La Liga a slower competition with less strength in depth than the Premier League, so those same liberal techniques would not work. But Casemiro and Varane, having won multiple titles, had strong feelings and became dissenting voices.

Ten Hag’s disappointment with Sancho over his application came to a head during a training session before the Arsenal game in September. Sancho did not commit to pressing as an “opposition” player in the practice match in the way Ten Hag wanted. Sancho was offered the chance to end his involvement early, which he took by walking off the pitch. Ten Hag referenced Sancho’s training levels after the Arsenal defeat and the player responded with his infamous social media post, accusing him of double standards and effectively calling his manager a liar. Ten Hag attempted to explain his point to Sancho in one meeting at Carrington and attempted to schedule another summit a few days later in which it was expected Sancho would apologise privately, face-to-face. But this did not happen. He felt Sancho was an incredible player but that his attitude did not correspond to a winning culture. His patience had been stretched months earlier after his second game in charge, away to Brentford, when Sancho told him United had bought the wrong player because his preference was to play on the left, rather than the right.

Antony has shown disobedience to Ten Hag’s demands twice during games. He made an exploding motion with his hand to his head when Ten Hag told him to play at left-back during the 4-3 FA Cup win over Liverpool and repeated the action — a sign of his incredulity — when shifted to the same position in the 1-0 Premier League loss to Arsenal. In the dressing room afterwards, Ten Hag ripped into the Brazilian, telling him bluntly he had to play where he was told. Ten Hag also gave Antony brutal criticism in the dressing room after his display from the bench in the 2-0 win over Everton in March, to the extent that Antony appeared visibly affected. The performances of Antony have been held against Ten Hag, given he chose him ahead of two other options proposed by United’s recruitment team, including Raphinha, with the price reaching £86m. Ten Hag is said by those familiar with the matter to be deeply disappointed the signing is not working out, especially after backing Antony at various stages, including when police opened an investigation over domestic violence allegations. That investigation remains ongoing. Some of the accusations dated back to his time at Ajax, prompting questions of due diligence by United, but the private firm hired by the club to run checks on Antony before his signing did not flag any concerns.

Rashford is known to have taken issue with Ten Hag’s style of management, though. The pair seemed to have a strong relationship after a productive first season, with Rashford given the platform to play some of the best football of his career, but strains emerged. Rashford is the kind of player who takes on coaching in bite-sized chunks rather than exhaustive instructions. Ole Gunnar Solskjaer kept Rashford’s game relatively simple, focusing on his ability to cut in from the left and run in behind. The arrival of Rasmus Hojlund, who likes to pick up the ball in the inside left channel, saw Rashford shift further towards the wing, away from the areas where he did his best work.

Ten Hag’s resistance earlier this year was a sign he might not fit easily into the role INEOS prefers for the coach of its football clubs. He was open to working in sync with sporting and technical directors on recruitment, having seized influence previously due to his uncertainty over the quality of options being proposed and United executives’ abilities to execute deals. But he was steadfast against a young coach being imposed on him instead of someone he trusted. Those privy to Ten Hag’s views say he felt notifying players of days off in advance would invite them to plan trips abroad, possibly jeopardising their fitness on return. An example of why Ten Hag reached that conclusion came in Las Vegas on the pre-season trip. Five players went out to Drai’s nightclub the night before United played Borussia Dortmund despite Ten Hag insisting everybody get rest. When asked by a fellow partygoer at Drai’s whether being out late would be frowned upon, one of the players is said to have replied that he wanted to have fun while in Vegas.

Recruitment
After having to rely on personal connections to source Weghorst midway through his first campaign, Ten Hag was determined to get a guarantee of goals for his second and pushed hard for Harry Kane. But Murtough, in conjunction with Joel Glazer and chief executive Richard Arnold, declined to enter the running, ruling negotiations with Tottenham chairman Daniel Levy too complicated and Kane’s price too high for a 29-year-old. United wanted a longer-term answer and Ten Hag was pleased to get Hojlund having been convinced of his character during video calls. He was a gamble, though, aged 20 having scored 10 goals in 34 games for Atalanta in 2022-23 and still costing £72m. Internally, it was agreed that signing Hojlund meant United adjusted their expectations for the season.

Many in Ten Hag’s squad wanted and expected United to go for Kane so that the team could, in their minds, be transformed into title challengers. Casemiro was known to feel that having come third, with 75 points, adding a proven scorer of Kane’s quality would have lifted United’s aspirations significantly. He had been told when signing that United intended to make additions to compete at the top of the Premier League and gave the impression he was disappointed that, having done his bit, the recruits last summer did not marry up to that proposed ambition. He was not alone in that thinking and the attitude in camp suffered as a consequence.

Ten Hag’s influence on United’s transfer business is clear and INEOS wants to reduce his role, aiming to appoint a head of recruitment. But Ten Hag has missed out on key players for his style. He still speaks to people about the evolution that would have been possible with Frenkie de Jong on board, believing there was a chance early on in his first summer to strike a deal with Barcelona and convince the player to join.

As an alternative option, Ten Hag liked Declan Rice, who was very interested in joining, but Casemiro was seen as more attainable by the club. Last summer, Ten Hag pushed again for Rice, judging his blend of physicality, quality and mentality to be the right mix to elevate United’s foundation. Again, several players agreed with their manager, but United were way behind Arsenal and even Manchester City in the pursuit.

Taktisk
That defensive line was at the crux of Ten Hag’s troubles, however. He continued to instruct for a higher starting point so that his team could squeeze the play in the final third to win the ball and counter quickly. It was the blueprint mapped out by the United hierarchy, but the personnel at his disposal, especially with Martinez injured for the vast majority of the campaign, were ill-equipped for that style. Often they would drop deeper than Ten Hag intended, leaving a large space for midfielders to cover.

A clear example came in the FA Cup win over Liverpool when Caoimhin Kelleher claimed a Fernandes free kick that Varane and Lindelof had got in the box to meet. As Varane and Lindelof jogged back, Ten Hag shouted and demonstrated with his palms down that they should stop just beyond the halfway line. When they fell further back, he slapped his hands in frustration.

Varane was regarded as an excellent box defender but problematic when covering large spaces and Ten Hag tried dropping him, instead starting Evans for the Manchester derby in October.

"Rashford is the kind of player who takes on coaching in bite-sized chunks rather than exhaustive instructions. "

Hehe

Deebo mon ikke ledelsens forventning om intenst offensivt spil har været den udslagsgivende faktor, i forhold til at fortsætte med ETH?

Det tror jeg ikke. Tværtimod var det jeg fik ud af artiklen at problemerne var/er så store at det ikke havde hjulpet en skid at skifte træner og jeg er ret overrasket over at Ten Hag ikke selv er skredet for længst med alt det lort han har skullet håndtere. De kunne sagtens have fundet en anden træner der ville spille intens offensiv fodbold men jeg har svært ved at pege på en træner der også kan håndtere den her trup..

Jeg var pro Varane men han og Casemiro virker som to ret store problemer ift. player power så forhåbentlig er de begge fortid til sommer. Det er ikke overraskende at de vil sammenligne med deres succesfulde tid i Real men der bliver også indikeret i artiklen at begge spillere pludselig blev syg eller skadet da Ten Hag bænkede dem hvor vi selvfølgelig har hørt rygtet om Casemiro i FA Cup finalen. Ud med dem begge hvis de tror de skal styre showet og heldigvis virker Casemiro jo selv så utilfreds at han da bør være åben for at komme væk.

Hvis der var nogen der ønskede at få Sancho tilbage så kan de ikke gøre det efter den artikel, hold op en indstilling til at være professionel..

Jeg ved ikke om jeg har fået større tiltro til Ten Hag taktisk, men jeg er blevet mere overbevist om at han har ret når han har påstået det ikke har været muligt at indføre den spillestil han selv ønsker.

They were told by staff that Madrid is a completely different club to United and La Liga a slower competition with less strength in depth than the Premier League, so those same liberal techniques would not work.

Så ved vi ligesom hvor niveauet ligger.

jeg er ret overrasket over at Ten Hag ikke selv er skredet for længst med alt det lort han har skullet håndtere.

Money talks

Ja Inuk, det tyder mest på et par halvmætte veteraner på udkig efter en vellønnet retrætepost.
Lad os håbe de to har været de sidste "golddiggers" vi henter.

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Yoro og brantwaite bliver eftersigende jagtet!

Det er vel ca £100-120M der skulle smides på de 2 virker det ikke over budget for United, altså ud fra rygter om størelse og ikke mindst hvis man også vil have en angriber, VB og en DM ?

EDIT: sorry så fynbo skrev noget af det samme.