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Der er vel ikke en overflod af dommere, så du vil forholdsvis hurtig have for få dommere og da især i de lavere rækker. Det forekommer mig ikke, at det er et job, hvor man blot kan vælge og vrage.

Jeg vil have folk fyret som ikke har kapaciteten til at varetage det job de sidder i.

Men man må antage, at det er de bedst egnede (ja, det kan til tider lyde vanvittigt), der pt varetager jobbet som dommer i PL.
Der står vel ikke bedre folk klar til at overtage, og så er vi lige vidt.
Edit: Lidt af hvad Andib også siger.

https://www.espn.com/soccer/insider/story/_/id/43518946/the-var-review-arsenal-myles-lewis-skelly-red-card

Så har Dale Johnson givet sit take på situationen.
- den helt korte konklussion: VAR burde have kaldt Oliver til skærmen, og anbefalet en advarsel i stedet for.

Supplerende er der forståelse for, at Oliver traf sin beslutning om udvisning, da hans vurdering af situationen opfyldte kravene. Hans position var måske “for god” og det hele foregår i højt tempo.
- VAR burde dog have hjulpet ham.

VAR review: Some of the discourse around this red card has been ridiculous, even dubbed by one pundit as "the worst decision ever seen in Premier League football history." It´s not even the worst this season: see the incorrect stoppage-time match-winning VAR penalty given to West Ham United against Manchester United.

With the over-the-top reaction, perhaps it´s no surprise that Oliver and his family have been subjected to "threats and abuse." It´s possible to criticise an outcome without resorting to either hyperbole or attacks on referees, because there are clear grounds for the VAR to intervene and downgrade to a yellow card.

This should be looked as a wider assessment of serious foul play. If PGMOL wants to get tough on challenges which have endangered the safety of an opponent, this seems like a low bar to go in on.

There have been many worse challenges, perceived or otherwise, which haven´t resulted in a red card. Indeed, with the Premier League´s desire to have a higher-intensity game, players are far more likely to stay on the pitch than be sent off. It´s why this decision feels like such an outlier.

So, what did Oliver see, and why did the VAR support him?

When Lewis-Skelly makes the challenge, he does so with absolutely no chance of winning the ball and it´s a deliberate attempt to take out an opponent. Oliver, who was very close to the incident, believed the initial contact was studs to Doherty´s shin as the Wolves player was running. These two aspects made Oliver believe the line was crossed and that the tackle could endanger the safety of an opponent. But sometimes a referee can be too close to an incident to make an accurate assessment ...

How VAR protocol works is important to what happened next, and why the intervention was missed.

We can be pretty sure that this wouldn´t have been upgraded to a red had Oliver shown a yellow card; the original decision is so, so important. And if the referee gives an accurate description that can be backed up, the on-field call won´t be changed. But crucially, how you find that evidence can influence the outcome.

Indeed, only one red card has been overturned through VAR this season, when the referee wrongly thought West Ham United´s Guido Rodríguez had caught Southampton´s Kyle Walker-Peters with studs on shin when stretching into a challenge: it was a clear example of the official describing something different to the video evidence, as Rodríguez only made a small amount of contact on the toe of Walker-Peters´ boot.

So, Oliver said he´d given Lewis-Skelly a red card primarily for initial contact above the ankle. The VAR had the video evidence to support this, so the red card was upheld.

But that only told a small part of the story in judging the tackle. Was the VAR too quick to support the on-field call once they had the freeze-frame image? After all, in isolation this appears damning -- but such pictures usually do, because it removes all the context of force and intensity. It gives the impression of serious foul play rather than a trip, which was a more accurate assessment.

PGMOL will stand by this red card, as they did with the VAR dismissal of Christian Nørgaard at Everton, believing the contact was high (the Brentford player caught goalkeeper Jordan Pickford on his knee) and dangerous. Nørgaard, at least, was going for the ball while Lewis-Skelly´s only intention was to bring down an opponent. But an appeal against the three-match ban will be decided by an independent panel of ex-players, and not PGMOL.

Though, even with the outcry, there´s no guarantee Arsenal will win.

Nørgaard and Bruno Fernandes, for his dismissal against Tottenham Hotspur in September, only won their red-card appeals by two votes to one, when the media reaction would have suggested a unanimous decision. Which ex-players are on a disciplinary commission, including whether they were attackers or defenders, will always affect the outcome and a result is never completely predictable. Even so, the criticism of this from former players has been to such a level that´s it´s difficult to see this appeal being rejected.

These kinds of red cards have actually been seen before, however, and in Arsenal games. While no two decisions are ever the same, there are similarities in nature.

In the north London derby in October 2022, Emerson Royal was dismissed after he caught Gabriel Martinelli on the shin with a needless challenge -- though the Brazilian was by the touchline and not breaking forward.

And in October 2016, Granit Xhaka was shown a straight red card by Jon Moss for hacking down Swansea winger Modou Barrow as he tried to move down the wing on the halfway line. Neither Spurs or Arsenal appealed the decisions and both served three-match bans.

Verdict: For all PGMOL would like to back Oliver and the VAR´s decision, a yellow card is far more in keeping with how the game is refereed in the Premier League. João Gomes was shown a second yellow card later in this game, which was consistent with decision-making in the Premier League and contact was right on the top of the boot with both players making a challenge. But when Lewis-Skelly gets a straight red card for a challenge which usually only results in a yellow, then you have to accept there are going to be questions of consistency. This is far from being the egregious decision it was painted as. But the red card should have been downgraded to yellow on review.

Kilde : Dale Johnson

Ref watch panelet siger også enstemmigt, at den skulle have været gul:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/1ib7r4m/ref_watch_lewisskelly_should_not_have_been_sent/

Ja, så er det jo VAR skytset skal rettes i mod snarere end Oliver 🤷‍♂️

Sjovt, jeg har ellers ladet mig fortælle at det røde kort ikke var kontroversielt overhovedet.

Af hvem? Vedkommende må være et yderst useriøst individ.

Klokkeklart rødt - sagde ingen nogensinde (medmindre man var påvirket af noget andet)

Klokkeklart rødt - sagde ingen nogensinde

Men det var der vel heller ikke nogen der sagde?
Eller i hvert fald meget få brugere, ift antallet der har givet deres besyv med.