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Stop nu med at have så meget fokus på racisme. Det er ligegyldigt. Det er ikke anderledes end alt muligt anden chikanering.


Fordi der findes andre former for diskrimination, skal man da ikke droppe fokus på racisme.
Derudover har der altså også været en del fokus på diskrimination pga seksualitet.

Så alle indlæg her i tråden er baseret på, at ingen ved, hvad der er blevet sagt/råbt samtidig med, at det er en - efter det oplyste handicappet - Liverpoolfan, der fremsatte en ytring. Det er imponerende.

Alene det, at man så tilskriver, at en handicappet skulle være anderledes end andre mennesker, siger vel alt i forhold til fordomme og diskrimination imod denne gruppe.

Pointen er, at Liverpool stort set har samme antal farvede som alle andre hold i ligaen, og hvorfor skulle denne fan så være racist? Han har formentlig råbt noget for at bringe spilleren ud af fatning i forbindelse med det lange indkast - men hvad?

Fra en LFC fan der var tæt på situationen:

I’ll go into the details on tonight as I have hundreds of replies to my earlier post and there’s no point replying to them all.

So this fella has had his season ticket for many years at Anfield. He’s passionate but often takes things way too far but it is what it is. He has crossed the line before by throwing stuff at officials (usually chewing gum) and stewards looked embarrassed rather than do anything.

So I guess that’s allowed his behaviour to escalate maybe in his brain.

About 28 mins into the game, Semenyo goes to take a throw in. He’s not a player that goads the fans and seems like a decent lad. The sort of player that people want playing for their club.

For reasons I’ll never know, the fella near me in bay 7 (I’m bay 9) decides to go over to him in his wheelchair and shouts something at Semenyo. Semenyo then asks him to repeat it and he repeated it and threw his chewing gum at him.

Then 2 mins later the play is stopped. The fella next to me says he hopes Mark hasn’t said anything racist to Semenyo but then I’m getting texts from people saying it’s about the fan in the wheelchair allegedly abusing Semenyo.

We missed the first goal because all of us were uncomfortable being around this guy, who’s now sat in silence, probably realising what he’s done and he’s soon to be in the shit.

We didn’t want him near us and people (including myself) were calling him a racist prick. It was just uncomfortable to be around and we wanted him gone. The stewards didn’t have a clue what was going on either.

He was eventually removed from the ground at 21:01 by police. Firstly saying he’d refuse to move and wouldn’t leave but then agreeing to leave, then kicking off. I’d gone to the toilet by this point but saw him kicking off near the exit.

I believe there is some kind of protocol where the police have to remove them and not stewards and they have to get a sort of investigation going first. That’s why it took them 30 mins to get him out of the ground.

So the club now have to help the police with an investigation and rightly so. If he’s found to have racially abused Semenyo, he needs to be banned for life. No excuses.

Another fan chimed in saying “Semenyo didn’t look upset” so sorta sticking up for the abuser or playing devils advocate. But he just looked shocked to me, which is probably why he asked him to repeat himself.

So props to Semenyo for having the brilliant game he had. All 3 goalscorers were black, which was quite fitting really. The irony is, the fella had a “no room for racism” badge on his shirt.

I think at the time, it was annoying that we had to be around the prick but I think the club acted as fast as they could. I believe stewards can eject fans if they personally hear abuse but otherwise a report needs to be made for it to happen.

On the flip side of this, look at the amount of disability abuse there is in response to this. Discrimination is discrimination, so if you’re making your “edgy jokes” about disability on the back of it, you’re just as bad.

I’ve cropped his face out for obvious reasons but it’s incredibly ironic to have that badge on you and then do something like that. There’s obviously going to be a legal process ongoing now. The head steward asked us all a few questions and everyone was helpful.

Proud of the way the club acted in response to one prick. Anfield is a very welcoming place to people from all walks of life. Let’s keep it that way.

Det er jo et intet-svar og andenhåndsvidne - hvad sagde manden?

Det kan du ikke svare på.

Skal vi da alle have hørt en evt. lydoptagelse før vi må kommentere på det? Du kan omvendt spørge dig selv, hvorfor Semenyo skulle informere dommeren, og spillet efterfølgende blev stoppet, hvis det bare var en "ytring"?

Selvfølgelig kan fanen være racist selvom hans hold har "stort set samme antal farvede som alle andre hold i ligaen", det ene udelukker ikke det andet - vel?

Det er et underligt forsvar "Liverpool har en del farvede spillere, så fansene kan ikke være Racister?"

Hvis han er gået over stregen, som han tydeligvis er, så er det fortjent at han er udvist, og vores spillere skal ikke opleve den slags, heller ikke for at "få dem ud af fatning"

På hvilket grundlag udtaler I jer?

Hvad har han sagt? Kom glad, når og hvis en domstol har afsagt endelig dom i sagen.

Det lyder som en pænt usympatisk fyr der åbenlyst har udnyttet sit handicap (stewards bange for at gribe ind over super dårlig opførsel pga at hans handicap). Ret overrasket over at man ikke bliver smidt ud hvis man tyrer tyggegummi (eller lignende) gentagende gange efter stewards og vedkommende har en plads på første række pga af sit handicap. Der er jo en historie fra begge sider at det politiske spektrum plus fra minoriteter til at smide antisemitisme eller racismekortet (og med fodboldforbundenes berøringsangst mere relevant) for at opnå en fordel (eller hører ord på andre sprog uden at forså sproget og selv konkluderer) så er det vel relevant at få offentliggjort præcis hvad der er blevet råbt (og i hvilken sammenhæng). Ellers bliver folk jo både dømt og udskammet uden at have en jordisk chance for at forsvarer sig. Det virker som om grænsen for fintfølende til stadighed flytter så folk føler sig stødt på andre folks vejende (eksempel med eskimois). Der skulle man vel lede længe for affinde en inuit der var stødt, men ikke længe for at finde en på RUC der var stødt.

Stop nu med at have så meget fokus på racisme. Det er ligegyldigt. Det er ikke anderledes end alt muligt anden chikanering.

Hvis du er imod chikane generelt, er du vel også imod racisme, eller hvad?

Boldbrand:

Citat af dig: "Ved alment chikane/mobning som også er slemt bliver det som oftest rettet imod et enkelt individ baseret på den individuelle persons holdning, udseende eller kår." Så er det jo også personligt?
Hvis jeg siger til en person at han er fed skaldet mand, hvorfor er det anderledes end at kalde ham for abe eller neger?